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Offline Laurentiu

Re: Turatie inconstanta a motorului la relanti- suzuki sx4
« Răspuns #150 : 18.Mai.2011, 06:04:36 p.m. »
...imi este si cam lene sa fac operatiunea...
Tu nu vrei sa elimini o necunoscuta !!!??? Nu poti sti cind mai dai peste o asemenea problema. :)
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Offline Sakura77

Re: Turatie inconstanta a motorului la relanti- suzuki sx4
« Răspuns #151 : 19.Mai.2011, 08:17:11 a.m. »
- Ok, o sa fac asta cand o sa am timp, cu toate ca diferenta de  amperaj fata de bateria veche e destul de mare si imi este si cam lene sa fac operatiunea, dar am sa o fac si o sa va comunic.  ;)
eu am baterie de 60 Ah si asa face de la inceput, deci nu e de la baterie
Sx4 1.6 GS 4WD
 

Offline Sakura77

Re: Turatie inconstanta a motorului la relanti- suzuki sx4
« Răspuns #152 : 19.Mai.2011, 08:32:18 a.m. »
           Ar mai fi o explicatie, aceasta fluctuatie a turatiei este clar ca este generata de pornirea unui consumator (gmv-ul AC) , deci sunt 2 ipoteze :

- ECU masini sesizează pornirea consumatorului (dar in cazul asta turatia ar trebui sa scada un pic apoi sa creasca )
- problema la instalatia electrica - fire subtiri sau sigurante prea mici (se pierde din amperajul curentului pina la consumator)


           Cred ca o sa fac urmatorul experiment : o sa trag curent direct de la baterie la gmv-ul de AC iar semnalul de pornire o sa il dau dintr-un releu care o sa fie comandat de alimentarea originala a gmv-ului --- in cazul acesta , daca problema  este de fire si amperaj pierdut ,  o sa se remedieze , daca nu atunci ramin la vechea dilema  :-O

           Mentionez ca la mine , avind instalatie GPL,  masina este mai sensibila la fluctuatii de curent si turatii (GPL-ul neavand aceeasi putere ca si benzina)
Sx4 1.6 GS 4WD
 

Offline adrian_r5

Re: Turatie inconstanta a motorului la relanti- suzuki sx4
« Răspuns #153 : 19.Mai.2011, 09:24:41 a.m. »
        sigurante prea mici (se pierde din amperajul curentului pina la consumator)
Asta n-o prea inteleg  :(
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Offline danker

Re: Turatie inconstanta a motorului la relanti- suzuki sx4
« Răspuns #154 : 19.Mai.2011, 10:14:58 a.m. »
Tu nu vrei sa elimini o necunoscuta !!!??? Nu poti sti cind mai dai peste o asemenea problema. :)

- Am zis ca o sa o fac, chiar daca am recunoscut ca imi este cam lene.  ;)
Daca as fi fost un pic mai prost... as fi fost fericit !
 

Offline Sakura77

Re: Turatie inconstanta a motorului la relanti- suzuki sx4
« Răspuns #155 : 20.Mai.2011, 08:16:28 p.m. »
- Am zis ca o sa o fac, chiar daca am recunoscut ca imi este cam lene.  ;)

repet
nu este de la baterie , au am pe masina baterie de 60 Ah si face la fel
Sx4 1.6 GS 4WD
 

Offline Laurentiu

Re: Turatie inconstanta a motorului la relanti- suzuki sx4
« Răspuns #156 : 20.Mai.2011, 09:28:11 p.m. »
1. nu este de la baterie
2. am pe masina baterie de 60 Ah...
1. Esti prea sigur pe tine. Lasa omul sa se convinga si sa ne spuna si noua. Eu am facut deja testul.

2. Atita scrie pe baterie dar daca nu e sau nu ai avut-o incarcata 100%, nu poti garanta ca nu e de la baterie.
  • Suzuki SX4
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Offline marius34

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Re: Turatie inconstanta a motorului la relanti- suzuki sx4
« Răspuns #157 : 21.Mai.2011, 09:30:27 a.m. »
Cum am mai spus si in alte randuri nu este de la baterie.
Calculatorul masinii ar trebui sa perceapa scaderea de turatie si sa o regleze automat.Toate masinile au baterie ,dar cand intra in sarcina ,turatia se regleaza automat.Stiu x persoane care nu au scos de pe masina bateria niciodata sa o incarce si au avut-o 7-8 ani.
Si ca sa ma mai repet odata faceti un simplu test:puneti masina in treapta 1 ,ridicati usor ambreiajul si lasati-o sa mearga fara sa accelerati.(nu o sa reusiti pentru ca se opreste).Aici calculatorul ar trebui sa sesizeze scaderea turatiei si sa o mentina la turatia normala indiferent ca este loc drept sau o rampa.
Asa ar trebui sa actioneze si in cazul consumatorilor.
« Ultima Modificare: 21.Mai.2011, 09:40:22 a.m. de marius34 »
 

Offline Sakura77

Re: Turatie inconstanta a motorului la relanti- suzuki sx4
« Răspuns #158 : 21.Mai.2011, 02:32:18 p.m. »
in fine

IATA SOLUTIA

resetare  soft si recalibrare senzori

<u>Accelerator Pedal Released Position Learning</u>

Description:
Accelerator Pedal Released Position Learning is an operation to learn the fully released position of the accelerator pedal by monitoring the accelerator pedal position sensor output signal. It must be performed each time harness connector of accelerator pedal position sensor or ECM is disconnected.

Operation Procedure:
1. Make sure that accelerator pedal is fully released.
2. Turn ignition switch ON and wait at least 2 seconds.
3. Turn ignition switch OFF and wait at least 10 seconds.
4. Turn ignition switch ON and wait at least 2 seconds.
5. Turn ignition switch OFF and wait at least 10 seconds.


<u>Throttle Valve Closed Position Learning</u>

Description:
Throttle Valve Closed Position Learning is an operation to learn the fully closed position of the throttle valve by monitoring the throttle position sensor output signal. It must be performed each time harness connector of electric throttle control actuator or ECM is disconnected.

Operation Procedure:
1. Make sure that accelerator pedal is fully released.
2. Turn ignition switch ON.
3. Turn ignition switch OFF and wait at least 10 seconds.
Make sure that throttle valve moves during above 10 seconds by confirming the operating sound.


<u>Idle Air Volume Learning</u>

Description:
Idle Air Volume Learning is an operation to learn the idle air volume that keeps each engine within the specific range. It must be performed each time electric throttle control actuator or ECM is replaced, or if idle speed or ignition timing is out of specification.

Preparation:
Before performing Idle Air Volume Learning, make sure that all of the following conditions are satisfied. Learning will be cancelled if any of the following conditions are missed for even a moment.

- Battery voltage: More than 12.9V (At idle)
- Engine coolant temperature: 70 - 100 Degrees C (158 – 212 Degrees F)
- PNP switch: ON (Park/Neutral Position Safety Switch - AT only, MT fully depress clutch)
- Electric load switch: OFF (Air conditioner, rear window defogger, headlamps. Note: on vehicles equipped with daytime light systems, if the parking brake is applied before the engine is started, the headlamps will not be illuminated.)
- Steering wheel: Neutral (Straight-ahead position)
- Vehicle speed: Stopped
- Transmission: Warmed-up (For A/T models, drive vehicle for 10 minutes.)

Operation Procedure:
1. Perform "Accelerator Pedal Released Position Learning"
2. Perform "Throttle Valve Closed Position Learning"
3. Start engine and warm it up to normal operating temperature.
4. Check that all items listed under the topic PREPARATION (previously mentioned) are in good order.
5. Turn ignition switch OFF and wait at least 10 seconds.
6. Confirm that accelerator pedal is fully released, turn ignition switch ON and wait 3 seconds.
7. Repeat the following procedure quickly five times within 5 seconds:
7a. Fully depress the accelerator pedal.
7b. Fully release the accelerator pedal.
8. Wait 7 seconds, fully depress the accelerator pedal and keep it for approx. 20 seconds until the MIL stops blinking and turned ON.
9. Fully release the accelerator pedal within 3 seconds after the MIL turned ON.
10. Start engine and let it idle.
11. Wait 20 seconds.
12. Rev up the engine two or three times and make sure that idle speed and ignition timing are within the specifications:

Idle speed A/T: 650rpm, + or - 50 rpm (in P or N position)
Idle speed M/T: 650rpm, + or - 50 rpm (in N position)
Ignition timing A/T: 15 Degrees BTDC, + or – 5 Degrees BTDC (in P or N position)
Ignition timing M/T: 15 Degrees BTDC, + or – 5 Degrees BTDC (in N position)

13. If idle speed and ignition timing are not within the specification, Idle Air Volume Learning will not be carried out successfully. If idle speed and ignition timing are within the specification and Idle Air Volume Learning cannot be performed successfully, find the cause of the incident by referring to the following Diagnostic Procedure:

1. Check that throttle valve is fully closed.
2. Check PCV valve operation.
3. Check that downstream of throttle valve is free from air leakage.
4. When the above three items check out OK, engine component parts and their installation condition are questionable.
5. If any of the following conditions occur after the engine has started, eliminate the cause of the incident and perform Idle Air Volume Learning all over again:

- Engine stalls.
- Erroneous idle."


ACUM MERGE PERFECT
Sx4 1.6 GS 4WD
 

Offline adrian_r5

Re: Turatie inconstanta a motorului la relanti- suzuki sx4
« Răspuns #159 : 21.Mai.2011, 06:50:41 p.m. »
Adica niste proceduri oarecum similare cu idle learn ... despre care unii ziceau ca "sint SFuri"  >:D<

De unde ai luat instructiunile astea  :-/ :-/ :-/  ... ca in manual eu nu le gasesc  :-(( :-(( :-((

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